What does God think?

[the_alienist]

Your reply to my statement says it ALL. I didn't say a specific statement, I said in general your posts come across that way. There is more to reading than the acutal words, there are contexts in which everything appears. I gave this advice to someone else on this forum that a lot of people didn't care much for: Don't say anything on here that you wouldn't say in conversation in your living room or over dinner. you are still missing the point and I am tired of trying to explain it to you when you are not ready to hear it, but that's ok everyone comes from a different standpoint and I can respect that, maybe not agree or accept it, but respect it nonetheless.

What do you mean my reply says it all... I am confused here...i am still waiting for you to show me. Hurry....I am not concerned if you like me or anyone else.. don't take it the wrong way but are you the peace maker or something? And as a matter fact I am like this at the dinner table and in my home... you are reading but if you are in front of me having a conversation it would be recieved different. If I am missing the point... tell me what I am missing... ready to hear what... you are not explaining it correctly I guess.. try again.. be patient with me... What do you not agree with? Please pick out things in my posts and tell me why you do not agree with it... until you do that I do not know how to help you.

[the_alienist]

It's not a simple fact of copying and pasting something specific, I am refering to your whole demeanor.

No I'm not a peacmaker, but I do believe in making the best effor to understand someone else and make sure that I am understood. [ QUOTE ]
you are reading but if you are in front of me having a conversation it would be recieved different

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That is exactly what I am saying, I percieve things differently than you might have intended when I read them, but I am over this right now. I don't know how to explain things any clearer to you right now, maybe I'll think of something later, but I do not want to let my anger speak for me right now.

If I question then I have a bad attitude... why are you angry... If you do not agree with what I said is one thing and that is okay but if you do not agree with what was said that is another.. and if not I just wanted to know why.

[R0cketer]

Going to attempt to explain this one more time.

You're seeing things as one way, the way you see them or interpret them and no other.

Its the old glass full thing. You see the glass, in your mind, you see it as glass half full. You don't see it as half empty. You don't see it as maybe a chipped glass. Maybe you don't notice that there is a design on the side of it. All you see half full. Not even mentioning whats in it.

If someone calls you an idiot. Do they mean you're dumb? ignorant? unlearned? Heck they could mean you're mental. Could mean you're unable to guard yourself against common dangers. Shoot they could even mean you're a layman.


I didn't have to look up Hermanetics. I know what it means. Here is one for you. Where did you study it? If you studied it yourself or with a guidebook or 2, you're subject to what you interpret it to be, or what those guidebooks show. If you went to school, you're subject to books you read, or what a teacher implies or believes. You can have multiple very educated people who can make you see it one way or another. Neither is just trying to throw the bugaboo on the other just in their studies they may be guided by God to focus on one thing, the other may be guided to focus on another.

I'll give you an example, in Literature form. Canterbury Tales. I had multiple teachers who would teach you who was the 'good', who was the 'bad' in it. Years ago I read a book, and it made the Knight, who was always marked as one of the best and one of the good, into one of the worst and used examples, historical references and alternate meanings that certain things meant in context. Was they right? Was the others wrong? Who knows. Was every teacher who thought or had studied and came to one determanation wrong? Or was the other wrong? Or maybe at the end of the day, there was some right in both, some wrong in both.

[R0cketer]

Question ...what does the Bible say about women submissive to men? Is that law? or is it not?

Now does it say women submissive to men? or does it say wife submissive to her husband.

Now is that the same thing? What if a woman isn't married? Does she not have to be submissive, can she be a pastor then?

You said rule over men. Does that mean in the house, in government, in the church. Does it mean literally rule? If so, is anybody who has a Woman representative in the Government bound for hell, because they aren't following the law. What about if there is a woman judge? You going go to court and say your honor I dont listen to you because you're a woman?

[1inStripes]

Since you didnt answer this question in another post, what church do you attend? I would really like to know, and possibly hear you teach sometime if the Lord leads me there.

[imported_ut1]

God is not the author of confusion. That title is reserved for Satan. The reason you will never find a perfect church on this side of eternity is because it has something in it that is imperfect: man, and man is by nature, sinful. Denominations are the result of confusion more than anything else to my notion. I am a member of a Southern Baptist church, not because I'm a Southern Baptist, but because I'm a Christian who has been led of the Lord to serve there. I DO NOT AGREE 100% with their doctrine, but because I am a member there, I do my best to honor that membership and keep my opinions to myself. The teachings of Southern Baptists and their understanding of the Scriptures is closer to what I believe than any other group or denomination I've ever encountered.

A question from Rocketeer: "Just for example, where did you find that a woman couldn't be a pastor? Was that old testament, would that be law? Has it been done away with because we're not governed by the law now? What exactly was the law? Did God say the law doesn't apply? If so, do the commandments because they were viewed as part of the law?"

The New Testament (per Apostle Paul) lays out guidelines for officers of the church, and women are not included in the offices of pastor or deacon. (1 Timothy 3)You'll find that most SB churches in our area stick to these guidelines quite stringently, as you'll not even see many previously divorced men serving as a deacon or a pastor.
Does that mean a woman can't serve, can't be a leader in the church?? NO!!! Women have been and continue to be the backbone of many churches in many areas of service. God has clearly defined the role of men and women in church leadership. It's hard to get past the "husband of one wife" criteria for the office of pastor or deacon, especially if you're a woman! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


The Ten Commandments are no more, as they have been condensed: Jesus gave us only two, which He clearly demonstrated for us: Love God above all else, and our neighbor as ourself.

What am I seeing as one way? Hermanetics is hermenetics... what do you mean, where did I study it? I have listened to many men teach different things... I do not believe everything that I hear. If the Bible teaches it then I believe it. But one fact remains whether it be in the Canterbury tales or any other place.... You must read for yourself and come to a conclusion. Another is he was either good or bad... which one was he? Some say Jesus is bad... but when you read the Bible what would you say about him?

What does it matter whether it is the law or the new covenant? What is meant by law I have already explained... but when it says we are no longer under the law that is saying we no longer are under condemnation for our sins... we are covered by the grace of God... but we are not delivered from disobeying God's word... whether it is the New or Old Testament.We are supposed to be submissive to one another... and wives are supposed to be submissive to the husband.. Can a women be a Pastor... read for yourself and research... but through my own study I have came to the conclusion that they are not suppose to be.If a women rules you ask do they go to hell? I do not have the authority to decide that... that is up to God... in my opinion God loves them... and they would not go to hell if they were born again believers. I n the case with the women judge... no I would not say to her I will not listen to you because you are a women... then I would be preaching in jail.. ha ha